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PostPosted: Mon Jan 08, 2018 2:44 pm 
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Leaving aside the Goldwater issue, the article discusses "dangerousness". Is this really a psychological condition?

Have a look at this.

Symptoms of Antisocial Personality Disorder
Antisocial personality disorder is diagnosed when a person’s pattern of antisocial behavior has occurred since age 15 (although only adults 18 years or older can be diagnosed with this disorder) and consists of the majority of these symptoms:

Failure to conform to social norms with respect to lawful behaviors as indicated by repeatedly performing acts that are grounds for arrest.
Deceitfulness, as indicated by repeated lying, use of aliases, or conning others for personal profit or pleasure.
Impulsivity or failure to plan ahead.
Irritability and aggressiveness, as indicated by repeated physical fights or assaults.
Reckless disregard for safety of self or others.
Consistent irresponsibility, as indicated by repeated failure to sustain consistent work behavior or honor financial obligations.
Lack of remorse, as indicated by being indifferent to or rationalizing having hurt, mistreated, or stolen from another.


Seems a more suitable diagnosis than "dangerousness"

Interestingly, there are claims also that previous presidents (who were not removed from office) and other world leaders were also afflicted with the same.

But I would still rather hear it from a psychologist who examined and tested him.

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I think the term 'dangerousness' is a reference to current mental health legislation. In most countries people can be detained for treatment if their behaviour poses a danger to themselves or others'. There are a long list of provisos with this, but that is the general theory. I think the author herself says that her summary is no substitute for a proper psychological evaluation. I initially thought he had all the signs of narcissistic personality disorder but I can see increasingly more and more indications of dementia, especially when you look at some of his physical behaviour. I see he has agreed to a medical exam and says the results will be public. It will be interesting to see how it pans out. A part of me wonders whether he does have a soupcon of insight, is really struggling and is looking for a way out where he can save face.


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All I'm seeing is Bannon squirming. Don't know where you're getting your fake news from.


I think more than squirming - he sees his last vestige of influence, Breitbart News, disappearing so is now apologising to Trump Jr and changing his story to claim he meant someone else.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/01/07/us/p ... .html?_r=0

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/01/07/us/p ... ology.html

If the New York Times is too fake for you, it is reported elsewhere too:

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/201 ... -fire-fury

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lindal1000 wrote:
I think the term 'dangerousness' is a reference to current mental health legislation. In most countries people can be detained for treatment if their behaviour poses a danger to themselves or others'. There are a long list of provisos with this, but that is the general theory. I think the author herself says that her summary is no substitute for a proper psychological evaluation. I initially thought he had all the signs of narcissistic personality disorder but I can see increasingly more and more indications of dementia, especially when you look at some of his physical behaviour. I see he has agreed to a medical exam and says the results will be public. It will be interesting to see how it pans out. A part of me wonders whether he does have a soupcon of insight, is really struggling and is looking for a way out where he can save face.


You may be right - dementia and related mental illnesses can take many forms - although it has to be said it is only his behaviour and not any such diagnosis that comes out in the book.

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Will it be the same Doc who gave him a clean bill of health before? Who mentioned bribery? Perish the thought! :lol:

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Will it be the same Doc who gave him a clean bill of health before? Who mentioned bribery? Perish the thought! :lol:


You must understand that Doctors as skilled as Dr Bornstein, who can perform such a thorough analysis in just five minutes are few and far between and command the highest payments:

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/tr ... ed-n638526

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Don't hold your breath .... the fire at the top of Trump Tower was only a small one, probably caused by an electrical fault in the air conditioning.


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Jaysus! :shock: He looks believable! :lol: Not! Just when you think things cannot get madder! :o) 8-}

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:lol: Nuff said!

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niemeyjt wrote:
it has to be said it is only his behaviour and not any such diagnosis that comes out in the book.


So you've read it then?

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it has to be said it is only his behaviour and not any such diagnosis that comes out in the book.


So you've read it then?


Skim read part - searched the rest - I posted a link yesterday to the PDF.

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Skim read part - searched the rest - I posted a link yesterday to the PDF.

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I'd appreciate it if you didn't post illegal links to pirated copyright material on this forum. Happily Google has now blocked that link.

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It seems Trump is now thought not to know or remember the words of the national anthem :
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-42619347
This seems to be picking up on trivia just for a story (but that's journalists, isn't it) - there are lots of reasons why someone may not sing all the words of the anthem - he may be tone deaf and reluctant to sing or have a frog in his throat.

If he is unsure of the words, he'd have done better to just stand there in respectful silence with his hand on his heart, republican style. I have found nothing on Google to say that the law - or even just etiquette - require people to sing the national anthem.


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And who can forget . . .



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Well, you can't expect him to know the Breton national anthem, can you ?!



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Nice one Blaze.
I've always thought the Welsh and French anthems are the best, especially when sung by 80k spectators aqt a 6 Nations match. I can manage the first line of my own anthem (sinne finna fáil) but the whole of Ireland's Call and La Marseillaise, which usually gets me some funny looks when those teams are playing each other...

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And who can forget . . .



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Reminds me of that Rowan Atkinson sketch :lol:

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The latest from this bigot http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-42656433

Incredible!


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He's getting worse ...

But this is great :
Donald Trump cancels February visit to UK
http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-42657954


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One small step in the right direction. Meanwhile, I think that the Donald is ever closer to implosion. Beggar's belief what comes out of this anus of a mouth of his......

Trump 'in crude Oval Office outburst about migrants'
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-42656433

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Erm ... wilbro has just posted that link above my post ;))


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Well Blaze the more publicity this man's rants get the better it is. How can a so called civilized country vote in a pathetic example like him as President. I am just reading Sam Bourne's "To Kill The President" and it is clearly Trump who is the fictional President and I am intrigued to know how the book ends up (I know what I am hoping for!) Please don't give the ending away anyone who has read it.

Last night I had read the fictional President had just had a rant about Slavery, Jews etc which was extreme and I thought Trump would never be that bad surely. Until this morning when I saw the headline.


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I like it :)) https://www.aol.co.uk/video/shithole-pr ... 1769499_uk


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By Golly, Trump really is bright :))

Try this test similar to the one he took and scored highly in http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-42717163


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Just done it - fortunately I got 5/5 #:-s

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Wow. That convinces me that he must be some kind of genius - a very stable one. After all, a performing horse could get them right.

I wonder how the good doctor got so many medals. I haven't seen that many medal ribbons on even the most decorated WW2 veteran.


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Jeez, was that it? I touched the screen to one answer by mistake and still got it right!

All a total shambles. Didn't he lie about his height to get a better BMI (or whatever it's called) result?

You only have to watch him chairing a meeting to notice how different he is to normal human beings! :lol:

How about having a couple of unbiased doctors that he can't bribe?

What a joke that man is. He can tick "Becoming President" off his bucket list, I wonder what's next?

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We use a longer version of that same test frequently to assess patients cognitive abilities. It is very good in its place, but testing the sanity of the worlds most powerful man? No.
It sounds to me like it is being hoped that the average person will confuse cognition and sanity which are completely different things

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I got 5/5 but didn't answer without thought for some of them and one or two confused me because I knew the right answer but couldn't find it immediately in the list.

The clock test was one of the two given to me by my doctor when I said I was worried because my Dad died after several years of Alzheimer's.

The other was a drawing of a house turned on its side and I had to identify which was the right way up. :o

I didn't come away re-assured. It is very difficult when getting older to know the difference between natural decline of mental capacity and senility, it seems to me. :(

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By Golly, Trump really is bright :))

Try this test similar to the one he took and scored highly in http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-42717163


According to the Doctor who performed the tests Trump has also grown by 1" and is 1lb below the obese classification. This has given rise to a "girther" movement.

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It is all OK folks. He's been passed fit and if you haven't already tried it then gird yer loins and see if you could pass and be considered for his job? Don't be put off by the complexity and the high level of difficulty. After all, it's designed to root out miss-fits for this tough job!

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-42717163

By the way, I scored an unusual 6 in it :shock:

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By the way, I scored an unusual 6 in it :shock:


One slightly Foxed (heh!) Fake News trophy to you!

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