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PostPosted: Tue Apr 18, 2017 11:23 am 
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Now that was a surprise!


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 Post subject: Re: UK General Election on June 8th
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The UK is a bl**dy shambles now and to say the country is united beggers belief!


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If you are a remainer, and if you have a vote, the only hope now is to vote LibDem in massive numbers.

Not holding my breath though. :(

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I'll sit back and watch again, nobody will let me vote anywhere this year.

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 Post subject: Re: UK General Election on June 8th
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I think that tactical voting will become even more pronounced than in the past.

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I'll sit back and watch again, nobody will let me vote anywhere this year.



Neither of us also

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 Post subject: Re: UK General Election on June 8th
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It's a laugh a minute, innit? Wonder what'll happen tomorrow...

As for the UK general election, it's as much a Hobson's choice as Mélenchon-Le Pen (unless the LDs suddenly acquire huge support). I suppose voters will have to wait for the manifestos to see what each is offering re Brexit. This is about Brexit, I suppose?

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I think it's about Maggie May.


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Why worry, the West's problem's are as naught compared with what's to follow, http://www.bbc.com/future/story/2017041 ... d-collapse


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 Post subject: Re: UK General Election on June 8th
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 Post subject: Re: UK General Election on June 8th
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I think it's about Maggie May.



Chick,chick,chicken comes to mind.

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 Post subject: Re: UK General Election on June 8th
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I just move back and all the fun kicks off. I will have to dig out the postal ballot again!

Having said that, I am not surprised at this (as I have suggested before). We can say goodbye to fossils like Ken Clarke too. I do wonder if there will be something in the Conservative manifesto on House of Lords reform - just as a Sword of Damocles.

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If you are a remainer, and if you have a vote, the only hope now is to vote LibDem in massive numbers.

Not holding my breath though. :(


The LibDems are still going to support Brexit - just they want to go for an EEA-like arrangement instead.

Actually, I hope they do win another 50 or so seats . . . . north of the border.

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I think that tactical voting will become even more pronounced than in the past.


That could also mean UKIP not standing in the way of Tory seats or targets.

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 Post subject: Re: UK General Election on June 8th
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What a surprise.
I think we officially left the UK at the end of April 2002 - I wonder if it's still worth applying to vote .


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 Post subject: Re: UK General Election on June 8th
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Chick,chick,chicken comes to mind.

Why? I am genuinely interested in what you mean by that.


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 Post subject: Re: UK General Election on June 8th
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What a surprise.
I think we officially left the UK at the end of April 2002 - I wonder if it's still worth applying to vote .


You may have been on the electoral roll a tad longer as it is only renewed annually and not on a rolling basis - so give it a shot.

Did you vote in referendum?

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 Post subject: Re: UK General Election on June 8th
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No, because we had been given some forms to fill in to vote at the 2015 GE, sent them off, then at the last minute they changed the system to online and we gave up.
I think I would have voted remain at the referendum, husband would have voted leave. We don't fall out over it though.


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I have a vote... :D

...in one of the safest Tory seats in the country x_x

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 Post subject: Re: UK General Election on June 8th
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Politics are becoming one big joke, or have they always been?

Just tired of it all now, soooo tired ....... :ymsigh:

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 Post subject: Re: UK General Election on June 8th
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I have a vote... :D

...in one of the safest Tory seats in the country x_x


I am sure Theresa will appreciate your support nonetheless.

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 Post subject: Re: UK General Election on June 8th
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Bayleaf wrote:
Politics are becoming one big joke, or have they always been?

Just tired of it all now, soooo tired ....... :ymsigh:


I cannot remember the comedian, but in my youth there was one with the punchline "The problem with political jokes is that they get elected".

So I guess the answer is that they have always been - I think it's just that we are getting less tolerant as we all get older.

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 Post subject: Re: UK General Election on June 8th
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I'd laugh like a drain if the people of Maidenhead voted against the imposter May.

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I am sure Theresa will appreciate your support nonetheless.

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I'm sure my proxy will do her best to choose the candidate with the most chance of unseating the Tory. As a former Lib-Dem county councillor she'll probably vote yellow for me, which has marginally more chance than red...

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 Post subject: Re: UK General Election on June 8th
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Papibryn wrote:

Chick,chick,chicken comes to mind.

Why? I am genuinely interested in what you mean by that.


As I see it she is emulating Cameron and getting out of the bucket of shit she put herself in by going against everything she spouted before the Brexit vote, they were all caught with their pants down and have been running around like puppy dogs with tails cut off ever since.
Like most of the world the UK is on deep shit, history is repeating its self.
Anyhow I'm far more worried of the outcome of the presidential election here as it will effect me more.

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 Post subject: Re: UK General Election on June 8th
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Anyhow I'm far more worried of the outcome of the presidential election here as it will effect me more.

I was too, but in reality if Le Pen, Macron or Mélenchon wins, it's almost certain that there'll be cohabitation after the législatives. In other words, a moderate government with a loony but toothless president.

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As I see it she is emulating Cameron and getting out of the bucket of shit she put herself in by going against everything she spouted before the Brexit vote, they were all caught with their pants down and have been running around like puppy dogs with tails cut off ever since.


Hardly - she is leading the Conservatives into the election - she has not resigned her seat to take on loads of lucrative directorships.

Furthermore, if you read the Conservative 2015 Manifesto - here if you don't have your copy to hand - you will see it says "We will hold that in-out referendum before the end of 2017 and respect the outcome."

She stood as a Conservative Party candidate in 2015 on that manifesto. I therefore see her subsequent actions simply as following through on the commitments made in 2015.

Furthermore, if you cast your mind back to the budget you will recall the outrage at the proposed Class 4 NI hike which was contrary to another manifesto commitment - which lead to it being cancelled. Had anyone taken the line after the referendum that they would not respect the result, then I think a similar outrage would have ensued.

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I can't believe you think TM is being that altruistic. I can see why she's doing it, but I don't think it's for any other reason than to take advantage of the fact that the opposition are weak to strengthen the Conservative position. Lets hope people don't see through her otherwise the electorate might be tempted to go with a protest vote, as that seems the way things go now. I'm waiting to see the manifesto. My guess is no promises on tax and NI increases.. something has to pay for brexit. There will be little detail on the NHS, which will be her Achilles heel, as all the brexit voters were expecting 350million. And we'll never get to hear her defend it because she doesn't seem too keen on public debate.


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 Post subject: Re: UK General Election on June 8th
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While I agree she is taking advantage of Labour's weak position, I think she is also trying (like so many Tory leaders before) to come down hard on some of her own MPs. Those MPs for example who might make life difficult if there needs to be a transition period for the exit - during which movement of EU nationals will need to continue in some measure or the other. Those MPs for example who might rebel if there is an exit payment to the EU. etc.. Her majority is sufficiently narrow that it would not take many rebels to defeat the government. By increasing her majority, the impact of rebels becomes much reduced, and rather than make fools of themselves, they tend to stay in line rather more.

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I agree she is facing down some of her own MPs, as well as taking advantage of Labour disunity.

However, she is also facing down the House of Lords - some of whom made it clear they would block Brexit come what may. Assuming the Conservative 2017 manifesto will be well prepared, that is now dead in its tracks (and a commitment to reform said House will help concentrate minds).

I don't think I ever suggested she was being altruistic - she is a politician after all - just that she was following through on commitments made in 2015 which had she not done she would also have been criticised.

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As I see it she is emulating Cameron and getting out of the bucket of shit she put herself in by going against everything she spouted before the Brexit vote, they were all caught with their pants down and have been running around like puppy dogs with tails cut off ever since.
Like most of the world the UK is on deep shit, history is repeating its self.
Anyhow I'm far more worried of the outcome of the presidential election here as it will effect me more.

So having a workable majority, she takes the risk of an election, fully intending to carry on as pm if elected. Where's the cowardice?


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The Cons(ervatives) have a big problem.Arrogance is not a good trait, and that is a problem(well only a problem if you support them, assuming you actually realise it). Digging a big hole then falling into it and assuming someone will come along to help.

Decided to check up on TM background. A lot made of the fact that her background was not from high echelons of society. Might have been to a state school, but did go to Oxford, and got a 2nd in Geography. Now all those comments about JC looking like a geography teacher, when there is someone else actually qualified to be one!

Everyone knows that opinion polls are old technology, except for those who seem to be happy to keep doing them and getting paid as well. Probably why they have been so far off target recently.

Thought I should check how Maidenhead voted in referendum, and it voted Remain. No -one has mentioned that, but might be a useful angle for anyone standing against TM there.

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Thought I should check how Maidenhead voted in referendum, and it voted Remain. No -one has mentioned that, but might be a useful angle for anyone standing against TM there.


Thought I should check how Maidenhead voted in 2015 election and TM only got a majority of just over 29,000 with just over 65% of the votes (the 3rd safest Conservative seat, apparently).

So not only would every single person of the 54% who voted remain have to vote for a unity candidate, they would need another 11% of the leave voters to switch as well.

Good Luck with that.

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The Cons(ervatives) have a big problem.Arrogance is not a good trait, and that is a problem(well only a problem if you support them, assuming you actually realise it). Digging a big hole then falling into it and assuming someone will come along to help.


I have absolutely no idea what any of that means

rue_d_etropal wrote:
Everyone knows that opinion polls are old technology, except for those who seem to be happy to keep doing them and getting paid as well. Probably why they have been so far off target recently.

Well they were pretty spot on in France the other day.


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I am in Yorkshire at the moment, and visiting my father in law in Sheffield Northern General Hospital. Yesterday, we overheard the guy in the next bed talking to a nurse. He had a strong Sheffield accent, as does the nurse. He said "I've been a labour voter all my life, but not this time. I'm going to vote for May." The nurse said that she would be doing the same.

I realise that this is statistically insignificant, but nevertheless telling. In the event that the Tories do nothing stupid, and nothing nasty comes out of the woodwork before the election date, I believe the opinion polls. As Kinnock and Hattersley have said, Labour looks like being out of power for years.


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Of course Labour are unelectable - but I guess from the Conservative perspective it will be sad that Corbyn gets the boot after 2017 instead of 2020. I guess it depends on how deeply Momentum have got the hooks into the party as to who succeeds him. Blair seems to have crawled out from under a rock again but I am not sure that he can achieve much with his toxic legacy.

The other thing is that UKIP supporters look like they will be supporting May as well - UKIP are now in single figures in the polls and the Conservatives on nearly 50%.

Back to your Sheffield story - I wonder if Clegg will cling on again.

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