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 Post subject: Brexit – article 50 will be triggered on Wednesday 29 March
PostPosted: Mon Mar 20, 2017 1:25 pm 
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http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-39325561

So the ‘leavertics’ who voted believing that the foreigners living next door will be deported and the 33 million pounds currently being paid into the E.U. each day and promised to be ploughed into the N.H.S. instead, will assume that this will all happen on the Thursday 30th or are they happy to wait two years?

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There has been a helluva lot of hype and speculation over the last 9 months, sometimes bordering on hysteria. Britain is not going to kick out all its foreign workers any more than the money being poured into the EU will be ploughed into the NHS. (it's amazing how many people took a suggestion on the side of a bus literally !)

I wonder how long it will be before we know for sure what will happen ....


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Blaze wrote:

I wonder how long it will be before we know for sure what will happen ....

Personally, I think the effects will be felt quite soon....

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And thats more truthful, than the lies the lying stooges were saying on their coach

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On Saturday 25th March there is proposed to be one helluva protest march in London against the parliament. It is hoped that up to 3/4 of a million protestors will be present. Maybe more. Placards made of photos of other supporters who cannot attend will also be on display.

Could be interesting, but the Cold as Steel Lady (Iron Lady name already taken) will just laugh it off in her usual manic way I expect. 8-}

The whole world has gone crazy.

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The forecast is sunny so let's hope that they have a lovely day out.

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Let's hope the French contingent take their saucepans and whistles (for a bit of musique à la française).

I just read that the government 'forgot' to inform the Scottish Brexfarce Minister of the date...

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Heyho and tonight a French Presidential debate farce on the TV, with only the 'leading' 5 contenders invited.
In Europe the well-fed populations worry about zilch compared to the starving populations of war-torn countries in the 'third world' - who could probably feed themselves if the 'first world' stopped flogging them killing machines.
The world is mad, totally mad.
In footie terms, if Wenger wants to have a go at managing the Canaries he's welcome :lol: :lol:

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Heyho and tonight a French Presidential debate farce on the TV, with only the 'leading' 5 contenders invited.
In Europe the well-fed populations worry about zilch compared to the starving populations of war-torn countries in the 'third world' - who could probably feed themselves if the 'first world' stopped flogging them killing machines.
The world is mad, totally mad.
In footie terms, if Wenger wants to have a go at managing the Canaries he's welcome :lol: :lol:

I watched it to the end, Liz - 00.30 - so if they'd had all 11 candidates, it would still be running!

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I wasn't sure if I could face it, but needed an early night .....
Just as well the also-rans didn't appear though one or two were clearly unhappy at not being included.


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An interesting European perspective of Brexit just downloaded from the French section of Britist expats website


http://www.europarl.europa.eu/RegDat...)583130_EN.pdf

wont work,does exist as I just downloaded it

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Papibryn wrote:
An interesting European perspective of Brexit just downloaded from the French section of Britist expats website


http://www.europarl.europa.eu/RegDat...)583130_EN.pdf

wont work,does exist as I just downloaded it

another try, if doesn’t work HELP


http://www.europarl.europa.eu/RegDat...)583130_EN.pdf

it works if right click and go to search for on google, its the top one.
All this tech stuff is just to much for the likes of me.

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I think this is what you wanted:

http://www.europarl.europa.eu/RegData/e ... L_IDA(2017)583130_EN.pdf

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I think this is what you wanted:

http://www.europarl.europa.eu/RegData/e ... L_IDA(2017)583130_EN.pdf

J


Perhaps but when it downloaded first time, for a number of tests that's when it hot frustrating.

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I wasn't sure if I could face it, but needed an early night .....
Just as well the also-rans didn't appear though one or two were clearly unhappy at not being included.

It was interesting - Macron agreed bigly with Fillon, lost his cool (twice) with Le Pen who ranted inconsequently about Islam, Hamon was nowhere with his nutty ideas and Mélenchon, the Cuban-regime-loving extreme Trotsyist won the debate according to several polls....dog help us.

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 Post subject: Re: Brexit – article 50 will be triggered on Wednesday 29 Ma
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A long evening's entertainment, though. I've seen some selected bits and I can imagine it wasn't always easy for A-C Coudray and Whatsisname to keep order ! I think MLP had trouble keeping up with Macron when he had a go at her ...
As for Mélenchon ...... oh dear .....


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 Post subject: Re: Brexit – article 50 will be triggered on Wednesday 29 Ma
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So it's started and still the UK think that they will get a better deal outside.
Noted this morning that the £ dropped two cents against the Euro before the official letter was sent.
Now back up one.

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First leak from the EU

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... ional-deal

I hate the way the press refer to the EU as some sort of darth vader entity. The EU is a democratically elected body that represents us, there is no one person who says yes or no, it has to go through the process.


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First leak from the EU

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... ional-deal

I hate the way the press refer to the EU as some sort of darth vader entity. The EU is a democratically elected body that represents us, there is no one person who says yes or no, it has to go through the process.


Not just the press but UK members of parliament and others probably repeating the press.
Fed up with being dictated to by Brussels etc.

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Yes, it is all a bit silly with the name calling - although Mrs. May's letter (or what I heard on news) seemed to be conciliatory.

Hopefully both sides will sit down now and get on with some sensible discussions. We need to see some headway before July I feel.

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The EU draft negotiation resolution will be voted in their parliament next Wednesday. It's very detailed. It's clear from all the stuff that emerged yesterday that the EU wants the divorce mechanics dealt with first before discussing trade and that the UK won't be able to dictate the timetable.

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So a wonderful few years of uncertainty ensues. The Préfectures are apparently getting inundated now for applications of residency and cartes de sejour. So expect longer delays. Isn't life grand.

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DaveW wrote:
The EU is a democratically elected body that represents us.

No its not. It is a political and economic union of 28 member states. Some of its institutions are democratically elected, some aren't.


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They are either directly elected or nominated by the leaders of the constituent countries. I don't wan't to get into the hard line leave voters unelected dictatorship nonsense. It's as misleading as the EU audit argument.


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Short and to the point. The comments section is worth a read.

http://johnmccormick.eu/2014/05/three-o ... ean-union/


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They are either directly elected or nominated by the leaders of the constituent countries.

The EU as a body is not democratically elected. The Parliament is, but nomination by heads of government of other parts of the EU is does not equal "democratically elected."


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Is the cabinet democratically elected, the senior civil servants or the HOL's? It's what you define as democratic, we obviously have different definitions.

It's a red herring manufactured by the rabid anti EU brigade, which I'm sure you're not a member of.


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Sorry, but why are you bringing up the UK constitution? I didn't mention it. I was merely commenting upon your unequivocal statement that "The EU is a democratically elected body." The EU is not elected. The Parliament is, but as to the other parts, nomination by the heads of government is not the same as being democratically elected. If that was right then the House of Lords is democratically elected.


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Merely as a comparison. The HOL is grace and favour. I will stick with my original statement.


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So where this seems to take us is that true democracy is where every individual * has the ability to vote on every decision - ergo democracy does not exist.

In the real world we vote for individuals who represent us, make decisions on our behalf - and yes perhaps chose other individuals who will in turn make decisions on our behalf - whether that be in an EU institution, a Quango, the HoL or a myriad of other opportunities..

* and perhaps we could add the additional argument of what every individual means - only of voting age? those incarcerated? the Queen? etc.

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Personally I prefer the Swiss model - where referenda can be used both to propose laws and overturn laws passed by representatives.

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DaveW wrote:
I will stick with my original statement.

How can you?

Your original statement was meaningless: "The EU is a democratically elected body that represents us." The EU is a collection of states bound together by treaties. It is no more democratically elected than the north sea is. When did you vote for the EU? Who was standing against it? What did the other party want?

One part of the EU is elected - the parliament. The rest is not. The commissioners are put in place by the heads of government. That is not by any stretch of the imagination a democratic election. Did you vote for Commissioner Kinnock, or Mandelson or Brittan? How much more grace and favour was their appointment to the lords than their appointment to the commission?

Look, I know that you want the EU to be wonderful and the UK to be the devil, but you are letting your enthusiasm blind you. My point is nothing to do with the way other countries run themselves. It is purely a comment on your above statement which I have again set out above. That statement is nonsense.


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I apologise for the tone of the above - I realise that it is a bit tetchy and could have been put more kindly. The news that the EU was seeking to give Spain a say in the future of Gibraltar got my goat a bit.


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I just thought you were being your normal self. Gibraltar is just another sad episode in the colonial history of the land grabbing empire.


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