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 Post subject: Non-tubeless Wheels & Tyres
PostPosted: Sun Jul 16, 2017 6:07 am 
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I've had a nightmare of a week, and it isn't over yet.

No less than 3 punctures in the non-tubeless wheels of my 1972 Eriba Puck caravan.

3 times non-tubeless tyres weren't available (and twice not even tubes), and twice the new tubes in the tubeless tyres fitted have blown.

So, I have 2 tubed tyres on it at the moment but one is the spare and slightly smaller in size (the tyre, not the wheel) at 4.50 x 10 compared to 5.00 x 10, and gives the van a slightly lop-sided look.

Although perforce this combination has done getting on for 1,500 kms last week, I am understandably nervous about running more than I need to like that.

I would like to change the wheels, and tyres, to tubeless, but the wheels of the same size do not have the same holes or distance between them. For the moment I would like another non-tubeless tyre but that is difficult to find too.

Does anyone know of specialist suppliers for this old fashioned stuff?

I have a heavy week coming up, south to the Pyrenees and then north to Stansted so, for security, I am taking the Teardrop which has a far more modern chassis, and as I am passing close to home on Tuesday, will attempt to get yet another repair on the spare and swap caravans on the way through.

Thoughts, please?

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 Post subject: Re: Non-tubeless Wheels & Tyres
PostPosted: Sun Jul 16, 2017 6:36 am 
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I know diddly squat about tyres but have you looked here? https://www.123pneus.fr/cgi-bin/rshop.pl?dsco=125&m_s=4&tyre_for=SchlauchSpezial&s_p_a=Pneus_specifiques&s_p_b=&s_p=Chambre_a_air

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 Post subject: Re: Non-tubeless Wheels & Tyres
PostPosted: Sun Jul 16, 2017 8:05 am 
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Thanks for the reply MAD, but they do not appear to have the oddments I am looking for.

Googling around though I did come up with a UK firm which sells exactly what I need with free delivery to the uk mainland.

As I am in England later this week and, after delivery, visiting a firm in Hailsham who are doing some other work on the van, I think I might order on line for delivery there.

But I did notice just now that the firm doing the work (I am a regular there) are open on a Sunday, so will ring them a bit later just in case they can supply themselves.

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 Post subject: Re: Non-tubeless Wheels & Tyres
PostPosted: Sun Jul 16, 2017 9:16 am 
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Those really are small tyre sizes - perhaps you have got some tyres that are intended for low speed use.

Have you checked ply rating and speed rating?

Multiple punctures - did the garage find and remove the cause - leaving a nail for example in will puncture the next tube.

Tubes can be repaired - so that ought not to be an issue.

Finally - OKO or similar is good at sealing smaller holes.

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 Post subject: Re: Non-tubeless Wheels & Tyres
PostPosted: Sun Jul 16, 2017 10:06 am 
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niemeyjt wrote:
Those really are small tyre sizes - perhaps you have got some tyres that are intended for low speed use.

Have you checked ply rating and speed rating?

Multiple punctures - did the garage find and remove the cause - leaving a nail for example in will puncture the next tube.

Tubes can be repaired - so that ought not to be an issue.

Finally - OKO or similar is good at sealing smaller holes.

J


They are trailer tyres J, and the ones advertised in the UK are rated at 89 mph. As I never exceed 100 km/hr (60), I'm pretty confident speed isn't a factor.

There was no causal damage to any of the tubes or tyres, one place did mumble something about the valve but since then I have been online and learnt that, while tubed tyres are smooth inside, tubeless are not, and the ribs which may be there can cause friction wear on the tubes. In view of what has happened that seems the most likely cause.

Tubes can be repaired (or rather replaced), yes they can, but when 2 out of 3 tyre places don't even stock them that isn't something that helps much.

As I said above the tyre/wheel supplier in England will deliver free to Hailsham, where I will be on Thursday next. So I will order them online today if the place in Hailsham, which should answer the phone after 11.30 this morning, doesn't carry them but are willing to accept the delivery to await my arrival.

Till then I will be using the Teardrop tomorrow but will have to risk odd tyres (4.50 x 10 and 5.00 x 10) until I get to Hailsham. I will get the spare (tubeless) re-tubed yet again but will keep it as a spare for the time being.

After the first puncture, last Monday (which also destroyed the tyre) I was sold a complete wheel and tyre by Feu Vert at Dinan as they didn't have time to do a repair. When I set about swapping it back onto the caravan I discovered that the stud holes were too small. Despite the man insisting that I could 'drill them out' I kept it anyway as at least it gave me a tyre and tube (which I bought seperately) in case I had to call out someone on the road. Turned out that the distance between the wheel holes didn't match either, a common occurrence as I began to find out later.

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 Post subject: Re: Non-tubeless Wheels & Tyres
PostPosted: Sun Jul 16, 2017 10:23 am 
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Just to REALLY confuse, according to the tecnical information at http://www.bugpuck.be/en/eriba-caravans/eriba-puck.htm the correct tyre is 4.40x10!

Anyway, picking up on last email - you say a tyre was destroyed as well. Are the tyres old? When not in use are you taking the weight off the tyres? I wonder if that was a cause.

Sorry - I know it does not sort immediate problem, but I am thinking prevention next time.

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 Post subject: Re: Non-tubeless Wheels & Tyres
PostPosted: Sun Jul 16, 2017 11:44 am 
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niemeyjt wrote:
Just to REALLY confuse, according to the tecnical information at http://www.bugpuck.be/en/eriba-caravans/eriba-puck.htm the correct tyre is 4.40x10!

Anyway, picking up on last email - you say a tyre was destroyed as well. Are the tyres old? When not in use are you taking the weight off the tyres? I wonder if that was a cause.

Sorry - I know it does not sort immediate problem, but I am thinking prevention next time.

J


Well the 'small' tyre which came with it when I bought it is the 4.50 x 10 which I normally keep as the spare. Also that is the size mentioned in the handbook. But, as it had 2 5.00s on at the time, that is what I have kept to.

The first tyre was destoyed, partly because I was doing 90 km/hr at the time and partly because on a 2 lane main road but no shoulder, I ran it to the crest of the hill, about 50 metres, to make sure I could be seen from both directions while I changed it. There were a lot of heavies on the road which was narrow enough to force them to alternate.

The 2nd event, only 2 days later, was at 100 km/hr on a dual carriageway with a shoulder but I had to roll as gently to a stop as possible, again for, different, safety reasons.

The 3rd puncture has not, I think, affected the tyre because it was ok when I parked at home (after 260 kms since fitting) but flat the next morning when I looked out of the window.

I need not tell you what was said, but a clue is that John McEnroe is on the radio at the moment and I added more to his favourite phrase. X(

Believe me J, this caravan rolls for 80,000 kms/year and has little chance to stand still. 8-|

New (tubeless) wheels and tyres now ordered and will be delivered to Hailsham on Tuesday to await my arrival. :)

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 Post subject: Re: Non-tubeless Wheels & Tyres
PostPosted: Mon Jul 17, 2017 7:43 am 
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I haven't heard 5.00 X 10 tyres mentioned before, but the coincidence is that I will be taking the wheels off of our trailer after we have been to the dechet to empty it. They have been on there for about 15 years and I am changing them before we do our move back to the U.K. They haven't had any long trips, mainly to the dechet, very regularly, and the right hand one is in the direct sun. So no chances taken, they are being changed.

Wheels on caravans? We had a couple of caravans before we moved over and because of the possibility of punctures causing accidents I had Tyron wheel bands fitted to all 3, spare included. The best way to describe them is by looking at this

http://www.tyron.co.uk/why_tyron_caravans.htm

If they do them for you wheels £230 is a very good investment in my opinion. It won't save the tyre, but it will allow you to get to a safe place to stop! You can change them from one wheel to another when you change the van, as long as the wheel is the same diameter. I have nowt to do with Tyron apart from being a very satisfied customer :-bd

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 Post subject: Re: Non-tubeless Wheels & Tyres
PostPosted: Fri Jul 21, 2017 5:02 pm 
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Interesting John, but I think more relevant to heavier models than my little Eriba. And I do know when the puncture occurs because I rarely if ever listen to the radio and can hear the noise when one occurs. I am totally pre-occupied with noise and am constantly, but momentarily, worried when a new one appears, different road surfaces for instance.

I thought I had solved it with the new tyres and wheels from Trident, but when I examined them closely on arrival at Hailsham it became obvious that the bolt holes were a different size. So, a round trip to Maidstone to check they do not have the right ones and a credit for the 2 I returned.

Could have been bad but on Tuesday morning a wonderful thing occurred. I was leaving a routier where I had overnighted near Montauban and just noticed a little tyre workshop with a chap working inside on his own. No, he had no tubes but invited me to bring it in for a look. The upshot was that he successfully fitted my new tubeless tyre, with the correct valve of course, to my old non-tubeless wheel. Tested it and it was ok. Checked again at home later, still holding pressure, so fitted it and now it has been all the way to Stansted and back via Hailsham and Maidstone with no problems whatsoever.

So now I know what to do if I get another puncture. He also gave me back my punctured innertube so that I can get it repaired for use later in one of the non-tubeless tyres.

Now, someone is going to tell me there is a law against it. 8-|

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 Post subject: Re: Non-tubeless Wheels & Tyres
PostPosted: Fri Jul 21, 2017 7:23 pm 
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Not sure about tubeless tyres on tubed rims being illegal - but mixing radial and cross ply is - but hopefully your man checked that for you.

Otherwise, I am pleased to hear you are finally sorted - hopefully!!!!

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 Post subject: Re: Non-tubeless Wheels & Tyres
PostPosted: Fri Jul 21, 2017 8:30 pm 
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niemeyjt wrote:
Not sure about tubeless tyres on tubed rims being illegal - but mixing radial and cross ply is - but hopefully your man checked that for you.

Otherwise, I am pleased to hear you are finally sorted - hopefully!!!!

J



Which man would that be then J? I've spoken to so many over the last 7 days and I'm pretty sure that that wasn't mentioned by any of them.

Is it written on the tyres then? I'll check in the morning.

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 Post subject: Re: Non-tubeless Wheels & Tyres
PostPosted: Wed Jul 26, 2017 9:29 am 
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We went into Noeauto Carcassonne yesterday and got the tyres changed. The guy in there asked if they were tubeless. I said yes, but he wasn't sure so he had a look a the valve. He bent it over and it snapped off !!!!!! The valves and tyres were about 15 years old and the tyres looked as good as new, but I know that they had deteriorated and needed changing. I wonder just how many tyres there are on trailers that are in the same condition?

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