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 Post subject: 'The Artist' at the Oscars
PostPosted: Sun Feb 26, 2012 10:33 am 
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I find myself (somewhat curiously given I haven't even seen the film!) hoping that Jean Dujardin does not get the best actor gong. Two reasons;

1) I find it odd that seemingly every year we get a film that cleans up; best film, director, actor/actress, etc etc etc. I was pleased to see the Cesar's acknowledged that 'best film' doesn't necessarily mean 'best actor'

2) Dujardin is a ham. And I mean that in a good way! He can do comedy and spoof, he can do wry smile and twinkling eye. Now, I'd be prepared to accept that it could be the best performance by an actor in a film this year but.... I'd like to think not. I'd like to think 'best actor' should have a broader range. But what the heck do I know. Film awards generally, and the Oscars specifically, can be a bit of a farce.


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PostPosted: Sun Feb 26, 2012 11:42 am 
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 26, 2012 12:05 pm 
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Despite a hefty dose of cynicism towards the film industry award ceremonies I do try to watch the BAFTAs although rarely manage to watch the Oscars. This year I thought I'd also watch the Césars to see how they compared. I think the difference can be summed up in the presenters, Stephen Fry and Antoine de Caunes. The Césars were a bit near the knuckle at times and I'm far from being a prude - unless I sometimes misunderstood the nuances given my less than perfect french.

I've not seen The Artist either, but my better half saw it before it was nominated for any awards and said it was an excellent film. Jean Dujardin does look like he has a sense of humour and comes across as self deprecating. I like that and think he has a very good chance of taking the Oscar. He can only portray the character in front of him, but without spoiling the film I'd say that he does use a far wider range of acting skills than the trailers would suggest.

The best film award is very likely to go to The Artist too, given the fact that the subject matter is Hollywood itself and it's actually shot 100% in LA (a very rare occurence these days apparently) - the voters will love that.

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Having seen The Artist I would have no problem with Dujardin winning the best actor Oscar. Indeed it seems odd that people feel capable of judging him without having seen the film!

Of this year's crop of Oscar contenders, we've also seen Tinker, Tailor, Soldier, Spy, which frankly we didn't enjoy (a confusing yawnfest) and The Descendents, which I didn't think was anything particularly special either.

I wouldn't rate The Artist as the greatest film ever made, but among a pretty lacklustre crop this year I'd like to see it win!

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AndrewRose wrote:
Indeed it seems odd that people feel capable of judging him without having seen the film!


I acknowledged that, outlined my reasoning and noted a caveat!

I've seen Dujardin in other films and thought him good at the role he played so I feel I have some basis to comment on his talents. Perhaps he's been typecast but I feel he's played the same role.

I of course would accept that he's extended his range, and that it is a performance worthy of an award, but my fear (based on clips I've seen) is that he's playing a similar role. That is, hamming it up. As good as he is at that (and I also accept he can only play what he's given and is directed), I personally feel a 'Best Actor' award requires something more.

Perhaps I ought rephrase my original remark since it wasn't exactly what I meant; I'm not "hoping" he doesn't win... but should he win, I'd hope it's not the performance I'm familiar with!

Just to show how different opinion can be, I thought 'Tinker, Tailor, Soldier, Spy' was an excellent film with a number of fine performances. I thought the entire production was a masterpiece of period design - really evocative of a post war era spy novel. Reminded me of watching Callan as a kid! Gritty shadowy stuff - loved it!

'The Tree of Life' was ponderous, brave, different, thought provoking.... and a trying experience!


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PostPosted: Mon Feb 27, 2012 7:15 am 
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5 Oscars including best film and best actor. A great day for French cinema.

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That'll be the only news on French telly at lunchtime then. WW3 could break out or France could default on it's debt but hey! we won some Oscars.

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Only at lunchtime? It'll be the first item for days. But excellent for the feel-good factor.

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liz wrote:
That'll be the only news on French telly at lunchtime then. WW3 could break out or France could default on it's debt but hey! we won some Oscars.


I know I shouldn't but.... :lol:

I find that with sports news too; you want to know what's happened in a big international sports event but because the French competitors are out there's nothing....but hey, there's a French success in a regional 250m shoe lace tying event!

Yes yes I know, the same happens everywhere... just as I'd laugh about it everywhere! :lol:


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PostPosted: Mon Feb 27, 2012 7:16 pm 
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Glad to see Woody Allen getting one too. I hadn't realised he was up for best original screenplay for a film we really enjoyed. I've not seen Dujardin act in any other films before so can't comment on previous performances - perhaps a silent movie is the perfect vehicle for his talents?

Funnily enough we watched the Muppet Movie last night, which won best song, The Girl With The Dragon Tattoo a few nights ago, which got best editing, and saw The Help not so long ago, which got a well-deserved best supporting actress, so more Oscar winners watched than I realised. Will watch Hugo shortly. Not sure how I feel about the Thatcher movie though, he says, judging something he's not seen... ;)

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AndrewRose wrote:
I've not seen Dujardin act in any other films before so can't comment on previous performances


The one's I've seen are Bond spoofs and he really is very good. In fact, as I remember, he's about the only thing worth watching the films for!

He's also been in a 'Break Point'/surf movie spoof (getting a line of his talents yet ;) ) - the name of which escapes me. And of course there's 'Un Gars, Une Fille' - a comedy on one of the channels... doesn't do anything for me but it is popular. I guess all actors have to start somewhere.

After his success, I now feel obliged to see 'The Artist' just to see if I have to eat my words!


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I liked watching "Un Gars, Une Fille" on France 2 every night before the weather and TeleJournal. Little 5/10 minute sketches.
That's a few years ago now. :D


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AndrewRose wrote:
Glad to see Woody Allen getting one too. I hadn't realised he was up for best original screenplay for a film we really enjoyed.

We enjoyed that one too.. Here's a rare clip of Woody at the Oscars in 2002.. (bonus points for spotting Macca & Heather Mills)

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A great day for French cinema.

let's not forget, the dog's American. :D

agree with edythuk - un gars une fille was a great series :lol:


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I went to see it yesterday - and was spellbound. I loved it. I've not seen Jean Dujardin before, but thought he was superbe in this.

(My friend called it an afternoon of car porn!)


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