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 Post subject: Selling without an agent
PostPosted: Wed Sep 04, 2013 4:57 pm 
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Unfortunately we have had to return to the UK as both our parents are very unwell and after long discussions have decided to sell our property in France. We had it valued recently and the Immobliers fees were 8%
We prefer to sell, if we can, without an agent as that way the buyer saves this costs. Has anyone sold this way and what is the procedure? We own the property outright and the deeds are with our Notaire 15 mins away.

If we are lucky enough to find a buyer, I know there are reports needed, woodworm, asbestos and lead, and I think also details of the fosse and an energy certificate which we have to pay for.

Any advice would be appreciated....

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 Post subject: Re: Selling without an agent
PostPosted: Wed Sep 04, 2013 5:41 pm 
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I have sold two properties here privately over the years out of four, no problem when you find a buyer go to a notaire for him to draw up the act de vent then all of the paper work before the final, usually two to three months later.
A lot of people think that Notaires take a lot too but most is taxes and such like

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 Post subject: Re: Selling without an agent
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We sold some land privately, and it wasn't too complicated*. Getting the same Notaire to do both sides of the conveyancing is a bonus here. It sounds like you're pretty gemmed up on what info. is needed. If that's done in advance, all the better.
Also, getting the boundaries clearly marked in advance is recommended, if you know where the Bornes are, this will save the cost of a Géometre.

It's a shame you're having to sell. It's a great little place, so hopefully you'll find a buyer quite quickly.

Do you have some idea of where to advertise?


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 Post subject: Re: Selling without an agent
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I would suggest delaying the survey reports for a while - I think they have a limited life (?).
There are several good sites for selling (Le Bon Coin comes to mind).

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Yes, I should have said that! :- I guess those can wait until a serious buyer is found?

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As already said here the Russians are buying in France, worth a try 20 euros for six months.


http://russefrance.com

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 Post subject: Re: Selling without an agent
PostPosted: Thu Sep 05, 2013 10:17 am 
You type you have had to return to England (or where ever) . . .

Clouseau wrote:
Unfortunately we have had to return to the UK


If you are in not in France who is going to show people around the house? Especially if there is someone who wants to see it within the next hour or two . . .

If you are not at the house get an agent.


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We recently seen a house advertised with an agent, we asked to see a map so we could clearly see the lay of the land and just how close neighbours were.... They told us to come and see! I think not! Not saying all agents are the same of course.


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Balham wrote:
You type you have had to return to England (or where ever) . . .

Clouseau wrote:
Unfortunately we have had to return to the UK


If you are in not in France who is going to show people around the house? Especially if there is someone who wants to see it within the next hour or two . . .

If you are not at the house get an agent.


Bugger getting a bloody agent, to show the property off, use the Notaire to do the showing around

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 Post subject: Re: Selling without an agent
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dolmen wrote:
We recently seen a house advertised with an agent, we asked to see a map so we could clearly see the lay of the land and just how close neighbours were.... They told us to come and see! I think not! Not saying all agents are the same of course.


I should think most of them would do that, dolmen. If you managed to find the place on your own, there's a chance you'd knock on the door and ask to buy privately .... agents don't like that!! :-

Peake - I've never heard of a Notaire being willing, or having the time to do viewings for people!! :shock: They'll only get involved once a firm offer has been made and accepted, surely??

Clouseau - also good that you haven't got a mortgage to worry about. :-bd

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 Post subject: Re: Selling without an agent
PostPosted: Thu Sep 05, 2013 11:45 am 
Notaires will show people around the houses they have for sale (they employ people to do this part of the work often) like an agent would but to show people round houses that they aren't selling . . . . . .

If you are not on the spot to show people round then . . . . . . . .


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If you're not wanting your buyer to have to pay full estate agent's fees, then putting it for sale with the notaire is probably the best solutions, as s/he charges lower fees for selling than an immo.

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Is there a chance one of you can go back for a couple of months to sell- not the best time of year now unfortunately. Or do you have friends who would be happy to go and stay there for a while- and make the house look nice, flowers, maintain garden, etc- for free, in exchange for free holiday, for a couple of months (asap as the market will die November onwards). The house might feel unloved, damp, etc, in no-one in it, and also give impression you are in great hurry to sell at low price.

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There's optimism for you!! :D

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About finding someone, or them selling :) No, really, many retired people would love the chance to go over to France and spend a few months- free, in exchange for looking after the place and working with the agent or without, to sell. And if they speak French, so much the better, of course.

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When we take our next three month trip to OZ we will have house sitters and to back up Swissie

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many retired people would love the chance to go over to France and spend a few months- free, in exchange for looking after the place

When we asked friends in the UK if they were interested in house sitting we had them queueing up.

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 Post subject: Re: Selling without an agent
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It is a great way of finding out if France is 'for you' and also to have a reckie of the area, housing, culture, etc, etc- hey, and if they love it they might buy it themselves.

BTW we are always looking for dog and cat sitters - if ever any of you fancy the Swiss Jura :)

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Swissie wrote:
About finding someone, or them selling :)


It was me being sarcastic about the doom and gloom selling comments!! :lol: I agree, if someone can stay there to keep the place warm and lived in, so much the better.

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We sold our parents house privately by advertising with the company mentioned by someone earlier - russefrance. We were fortunate to have a neighbour that held the keys so they showed (or accompanied) people who were interested. We subsequently had an email from russefrance who said their client wanted to make an offer. We accepted it and sent details to our notaire and that was it. We paid for our advert with russefrance and the other side paid for our notaire and theirs and that was that. :D


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It will be funny when the expats in Dordogneshire start to complain about the Russians taking over :lol:. Thew are certainly the new target and delight of the timeshare taunts in the Canaries.

Good luck with the sale- but I would certainly have someone live in the house during that time. Problem with a notaire, unless you know one personally you can trust, is that he is likely to sell at a low price- as he is not on commission, and perhaps with an incentive somewhere or other.

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 Post subject: Re: Selling without an agent
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Our Notaire has a property board outside ,I am sure they do not provide a free service and like an immo charge commission on any sales, they also have boards on properties in town


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It will be funny when the expats in Dordogneshire start to complain about the Russians taking over :lol:.


Our "Russians" were actually Ukrainian though I'm ashamed to say, we didn't know what the difference was at first! We really did wonder who they would be and what they'd be like, our minds were full of stories about gangsters and oligarch's. (too much Daily Wail I think...)
They turned out to be a really nice family of four - two Doctor's with their teenage children.

They said that most Russian advertising on the big agency sites was for really expensive properties in the Cote's, Paris and the Alps so they were pleased to find more "normal" places in the real France as they put it. They also intimated that Russian do not like paying agents anything! :o


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It's always worth a flutter putting your house on the free-ad sites such as leboncoin and vivastreet.
It's what the immo's do anyway so cut out the middle man.

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Our Notaire has a property board outside ,I am sure they do not provide a free service and like an immo charge commission on any sales, they also have boards on properties in town

It's not a question of a "free service". In the past, there were rarely any estate agents in the rural areas so locals put their properties for sale with the notaire. Thus buyers only paid notaires fees.
It is still possible to do this today, and unless they have a qualified estate agent working with them, notaires should not charge estate agents fees on top of their own legal fees.


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We are not in the sticks but in a small market town with 3 other immo offices though :-?


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